Monday, October 6, 2008

Our Clueless Future

Jerry Manuel is now the manager of the Metropolitans for the next two seasons, or at least until the team's next six-game losing streak. He starts his tenure in style:
"You get so many statistical people together, they put so many stats on paper, and they say, well, if you do this and you score this many runs, you do that many times, you'll be in the playoffs," [Manuel] said.

"That's not really how it works, and that's what we have to get away from. And that's going to have to be a different mind-set of the team in going forward. We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people. We have to win because we have baseball players that know and can understand the game."
Yes, exactly, Jerry! The reason the Mets fell one game short of the playoffs two years in a row is because we have been obsessing over VORP and OBP! If only Willie Randolph had put down The Hardball Times Baseball Annual and did what his gut told him would win the game, we might be well on our way to a second straight World Series! No, I'll go with Eric Simon on this one:
This is going to be a long tenure if Manuel’s first statement since the interim tag was removed from his title is blaming a stat-based baseball culture for his team’s failings. Numbers don’t swing bats, but nor does Jerry Manuel’s gut. Stats are tools that can and should be used — along with other tools — to help a team, and by extension its manager, make informed baseball decisions.
This, of course, is obvious to most Internet-generation baseball fans, whether they are "stat freaks" or not. I would, of course, be less temperate than my colleague. And I will be, forthwith.

We must win and we must know how to win...

This doesn't really mean anything. All baseball players know how to "win," if winning is playing baseball to a successful conclusion a good percentage of the time. But "[knowing] how to win" is not a skill that is hereditary, earned or otherwise existent in any way. Even if it were, "winning" ballplayers need to combine their skills with other players to make a team, and it is the aggregation of those players, not any single one, that makes a team.

But now we have ventured dangerously close to baseball-cliche-land. What is really the point is that all baseball players, whether they have an illusory ability to "win" or not, have different levels of skill. That skill can be measured. It can be compared between players. And most importantly, we can aggregate those skills to estimate how good a team is and how many games it will win.

And even with all that said, we might encounter the Jerry Manuels of the world on their own ground, and ask why Marlon Anderson was on this team if not for his supposed ability "to win and know how to win"? Not only have such things been said about him, but he was preferred over superior and more valuable players, suggesting that he has some "winning" trait above and beyond what we can objectively measure. And still Marlon Anderson's Mets missed the playoffs two years running.

Jerry ManuelBut baseball managers say these things, and no one gets hurt for it. I doubt there are more than one or two managers in the game who would disagree with Manuel's remarks. It's their job to believe in heart and grit and the like. Baseball is a cerebral game with high variance-- long periods of unsustainable success and failure. There is a rote, routine, workmanlike aspect; and a one-of-a-kind, do-or-die immediacy. All baseball players know that each plate appearance in-and-of-itself has little significance, but that sometimes it is just that one plate appearance that can make or break their reputations. And so they elevate its importance, closing the gap between ability and result, irrationally, with a bridge called clutch, built with all the grit and sweat and blood of their baseball bona fides.

We must see, then, that "statistical people" and baseball's "winner" mythologies sprout from the same widely variable soil. Both try to account for baseball's ups and downs. One does it empirically, the other psychologically. Neither could ever replace the other, but each tries to do just that. No baseball player, not even Brian Bannister, fails to sense, psychologically, the immediacy and importance of certain "clutch" situations which would otherwise be mere statistical blips, meaning nothing by themselves. But these are not the deciders and roster-makers, who must-- absolutely must-- have reliable metrics to analyze and predict player performance, if they want to be successful in a competitive market.

So it is not the fact that Jerry Manuel said these things that worries me. It is that Omar Minaya might agree with him.

15 comments:

Brian said...

Is it possible to start a letter writing campaign?

Dear Omar, Met Management, etc.

Please give public assurance that you do not take the idiotic statements Manuel made today seriously, and that you will apply sound statistical analysis in your baseball decisions in addition to scouting and other player-evaluation methods.

Regards

The Fans

James Allen said...

Yawn. And they say stat people take all the fun out of the game. I wonder what part of "knowing how to win" doesn't include getting on base or getting batters out, which are fully tangible, reasonably measured things. The main point being, they want to have their cake and eat it too. They will cite stats when it suits them and cite their gut when they don't. Trouble is, you can't really have it both ways, but they sure as hell try. Managers look at stats. Lots of them. All the time. They can pretend they don't, but they do. But the blind spot of managers is always the "gritty guy" or the "hard working veteran." Like the gambler in Vegas thinking he's going to beat the house, they keep rolling the dice, and when "7" comes they're ready to be called a genius, despite the numerous times it didn't, and the ever depleting stack of chips.

But that's the culture of the manager, always will be. And you are damn right in saying it should never be the culture of the GM. And at least that has been changing over the last 10-15 years. But I don't think that Omar will be in "getting it" mode anytime soon.

Anonymous said...

Well, the sabermetrical wing of Omars scouting dept. recomended they get Argenis Reyes. Omar followed through on their recomendation.

Omar is not an idiot, but not a genius either. I am pretty sure Omar takes a big bite out of the grit and guts pie, but he also take a few bites from the statistical cake as well.

There were a few articles last year that showed taht Omar knew that Willy was mishandling the pen because he would look at the numbers.

-cpb

James Allen said...

I do think Omar gets it a little, but I think he could do more. I hope it doesn't come down to "we need more gritty, veteran players" to get us over the hump.

Steve M said...

I wonder whether some managers and GMs are more cynical about this than they let on. Maybe they are just pandering to the base (beat writers and WFAN listeners) because, really, how could it actually harm them to badmouth sabermetrics? They don't get hired in Boston or Oakland?

Anonymous said...

I am pretty sure Mike Francessa, Chris Russo nor Joe Beningo could not tell you what VORP is. The talk on that show is all 1950's baseball type analysis. ERA, Cltchness, and wins are the gold standard and peripherals are seldom discussed. Oh, I do know they talk about whip, but that's because they play Fantasy Baseball.

Writers for the NY post and the Daily News probably know about it, but don't bother to ask those type of questions because they have to keep their writting and contnet at a fourth grade level.

I don't think GMs in NY have to try hard to avoid sabermetric talk.

-cpb

e poc said...

i don't know, guys. i think with a fixed-cost ryan church locked into right field for his age 30-32 seasons, the future's looking pretty bright. we should maybe trade fernando martinez, who did not meet expectations this year in double-a, for an average leftfielder and sign c.c. sabathia to the largest pitcher contract in history, and then i think we'll have about a 50/50 chance to make the postseason next year.

Brian said...

Fernando was in AA at the same age Wright was when he was in A-ball. They performed similarly, with Wright mainly getting the better of F! in strike zone judgment. (But then again, one can only wonder as to how F!'s IsoD would have looked if he were playing in Sally League.

I think that there's a significant--though admittedly slim--chance that F! will be able to contribute at the major league level by the middle of next year.

I know that this is becoming a hobbyhorse of mine, but I'm beginning to detect an unsettling pattern. It's silly enough to claim that Pelfrey is washed up at the age of 23, but to tag F! as a bust at age 20?? When he is 2 levels ahead of his age group??. Seriously?? The average NBA caliber player is 2 years ahead of his age group in high school.

Let us please keep our heads when discussing F!Mart.

e poc said...

f-mart may turn out to be pretty good, maybe even an all-star some day, but if we can get a league-average, cost-controlled left fielder and a veteran reliever to give us a chance at the division next year, we have to do it. f-mart may be something special, but maybe not. we need to spend the money and the prospects to win now, while wright, reyes, and beltran are in their primes.

Brian said...

1.) Win-now is generally wrongheaded. It's better to have long term plans to build a team that can contend consistently for many years.

2.) Wright and Reyes will be in their primes for many years to come--7 or 8 years. Beltran is a trickier issue, as he has 3 years left in his contract, after which he will be starting his decline; and we have no one in house to replace him. It's a bit of a quandary with Beltran, but I would keep my youth and either sign another good center-fielder after Beltran or trade Beltran in '10 (or even in '09) for prospects; if he allows it. It's certainly better than trading star potential for anything league average.

3.) I would never ever trade the top prospect in our system for league average players. Why would you do that if F! will very likely be at least league average himself, and has a very good shot at being much more? It's true that league average production is valuable if it's cost controlled, but cost controlled star production is far, far more valuable. Would the Reds have traded Jay Bruce for Schneider and Church 2 years ago? Why should we do something equally wrongheaded? If you like the idea of trading star potential for average production at multiple spots, then you might as well sing the praises of the Lastings Milledge trade. And if you can't get a decent amount league average production from your farm, you don't deserve to contend.

e poc said...

wow, brian, you're right. i was suggesting the mets do something eerily similar to last offseason's milledge trade. i guess i don't want to endorse that sort of thing. consider me persuaded. on the other hand, with milledge instead of church and schneider this year, the mets would have been like an 88-win team . . .

Brian said...

Indeed! And we might have come in 2nd in the division and just missed the Wild Card...oh wait...

Funny thing about the Milledge trade, we did it to fill 2 supposed positions of need...and our catcher is gone after '09 when he will be old enough for the Mets to have some reservations about resigning him, and we're right back where we started, having a "position of need" at catcher and no obvious internal candidate to fill it, while having given away a player almost as good as Schneider who will only get better and would have been controlled for the next 6 years.

Unbelievable.
The Minaya reign still has potential to be an utter disaster.

I.M. Forme said...

"i think with a fixed-cost ryan church locked into right field for his age 30-32 seasons, the future's looking pretty bright."

this line made me think you were joking. then i realized you weren't and had to go and reread the entire thread.

Now I'm just confused. Did you mean to say that Ryan Church makes the future look bright?

e poc said...

no, i was joking about the whole thing, but i decided to run with it when someone took it seriously. it was supposed to be a parody of the type of thinking a lot of people expressed last offseason, which i am adamantly opposed to. i still do not like the johan santana trade, let alone the milledge disaster. unfortunately, i'm not the satirical master that i thought i was, and none of it came across. sorry to send this on such a tangent.

Brian said...

Nope. The satire was obvious. Upon further review, it was I who was the blockhead.